Gay Sheep Research

By: kimberly on Thursday, 2007-01-04 @727 / 11:27:23am (726 words, 850 views) English (UK)
In: Rants

I read Arlene’s article (http://www.trixiestarr.com/weblog/) concerning the research on gay sheep (http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/12/curing_gay_sheep_/) and I feel that there is a bigger issue at stake; mainly, the issue of manipulating embryos and fetuses to make “recipe” babies. At first I had intended to post a comment on Arlene’s post titled, “Thugs in skirts” on her site, but as the size of the comment increased, I decided it would be much better if I wrote my own separate piece on the issue of the gay sheep research.

As far as the preventing homosexuality or transsexualism question, if I had been born as a man in a man’s body and grew up from birth as such, everything would have been fine. I don’t think I would have spent my life from birth up to a year and half ago suffering from Social Anxiety Disorder. I would have been able to function socially and I would be surprised if I did not have a wife and children and a good job and a happy life as a man. The problem I experienced was that while in the womb, my brain developed as a girl’s brain, while my body developed as a boy’s body. The two needed to match and which steps to take to make them match can be debated. With present day science, nothing can be done while the child is in the womb and only cosmetic physical changes can be done to the body after birth and no changes to the mind. All attempts at bringing the mind in alignment with the body have not been successful. Now here is where I think the real rub is for transsexuals and why so many are upset. How many transsexuals want to have their mental sex or gender changed? I certainly don’t want to be a man. We are our minds, our brains; we are not our bodies. I am happy being female and my frustrations come from being too poor to do anything about my body. There is a big difference in preventing a condition from happening in a fetus, and in changing one’s identity as an adult. Many of the problems facing adult transsexuals arose from allowing the body to go through puberty and hopefully, with better understanding, children will not have to face what we faced. Once a child has been identified as a transsexual, a condition that is simply a form of being intersex, then the child can have his/her hormones balanced to fit their gender and prevent some of the secondary characteristics that cause undue emotional stress and will later require medical procedures to correct.

The article in question discussed the possibility that changes could be made to the chemistry of fetuses to prevent homosexuality. The article did not deal with transsexualism. Even in the case of homosexuality, increasing or decreasing hormone levels may or may not change one’s sexual orientation. The experiment in question is still in its early stages. Just because researchers were able to get gay sheep to mate does not imply that they changed the sheep’s sexual orientation. Animals are not humans. Most animals mate from an instinctual need to procreate. It is possible that all the researchers did was to place the sheep in a highly sexual state that they were compelled to mate from an instinctual level; not because they were attracted to the opposite sex.

If the research is to gather an understanding of sexual orientation that may help to convince the general public that homosexuality is not a lifestyle choice…. Here I need to pause and insert a comment. One could just as well make the statement that heterosexuality is a lifestyle choice as well. If one can choose one’s sexual orientation to be gay, then can not the reverse be true as well? However, I am guessing that you if ask heterosexuals if they consider their sexual orientation a choice they made, you would get some strange looks and remarks in return. Continuing, if the research is to help educate the public, then it will be a good thing. All research has the potential to be misused. We always have to consider the misuse and the need for legislation to help prevent the misuse.

 
 
Comment from: newmanj [Visitor] Email
Jim Newman here from the university actually conducting the research.

In regards to the Sunday Times article which is he source of all these wild conspiracy theories, I am pleased that a writer has thoroughly investigated the article. As he reports, the Sunday Times article is filled with major errors and false claims. His analysis also raises important questions about the timing of the article which comes almost five years after the research was actually conducted.

Here’s a link to that analysis that anyone who is interested in this topic should read:

A wolf in gay sheep's clothing: Corruption at the London Times
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/4/134158/4348
04/01/07 @ 19:34
Comment from: Arlene [Visitor] Email · http://trixiestarr.com/blog/
Here is a quote from the Times UK 12/31/06:

Potentially, the techniques could one day be adapted for human use, with doctors perhaps being able to offer parents pre-natal tests to determine the likely sexuality of offspring or a hormonal treatment to change the orientation of a child.

Let me ask you Jim is that true?





05/01/07 @ 01:13
Comment from: emptypockets [Visitor] Email · http://thenexthurrah.com
I'm the biologist (who also blogs at The Next Hurrah) who's been doing some of the debunking of this story that Jim links to above. I'm not connected to the research in any way at all (it's not even my field), I just had to step in because I hate seeing science -- and especially individual scientists, and their families -- being attacked with lies for political gain.

Arlene, the question you raise (and that Kimberly raises in the post above) is basically an "is it possible" question, and frankly I don't know if that will ever be possible -- it's not possible now, in humans or sheep, and this research is not designed to make it possible -- but if it were someday possible, it could be used for real evil if good policy wasn't put in place.

I think the posts here & on your site (I tried to comment there, Arlene, but I don't think it went through) have been excellent. It is way past time to talk about the ethical implications of being able to manipulate our own identities, and our sexualities.

But right now the conversation is in a weird place, because it started off based on PETA's lies last August, and is still trapped with this focus on Roselli's work (there's a lot of other research on the biological basis of sexual behavior that's considerably farther along) and with the facts all wrong (they can't make gay sheep straight, they can't detect gayness in the womb, and they aren't trying to cure gayness in humans).

I'm hoping we can get the science straight so the really good ethical questions that have been brought up can be talked about honestly. There's a lot of other sexuality research that anyone who cares about this topic really ought to be thinking about (I go over some of it here http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2006/09/peta_crosses_th.html and also at the link Jim posted above).
06/01/07 @ 18:13
Comment from: Arlene [Visitor] Email · http://trixiestarr.com/blog/
Thank you, your comment it did go through on my site. I came across this whole thing rather by accident. The possibilities scare the hell out of me and the best way I know to shine a light on the topic is to bring it to the public eye any way I can. I guess time will tell.
07/01/07 @ 00:57

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